Smart Shooting Solution Icon not showing up?

[moscarma]

The Smart Shooting solution icon does not show up to be selected. I see the WIFI, GPS and Recoil Activated icon but that's it.
I updated the firmware and did a system reset.
Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Mark M.

[shootsbybrail]

I'm relieved to know that someone else has the same problem.
The firmware update just posted does not make it appear.
I have contacted atn about the problem. No reply yet.
We might see smart shooting solutions appear in a future firmware fix.
ATN did resolve some glaring issues with this recent update.

[moscarma]

Thanks for getting back to me!


It seems like this is a pretty big issue as a major selling point of this optic is the range finding capabilities!

I can't believe they would release this without the smart solution working....unless we are missing something??

[duffer]

I wrote the response below to answer a PM from this thread's author. Although I replied privately, after re-reading it, I decided to publish it as a part of the original thread where he asked "Where is the Smart Solution Shooting Icon". I thought it might be useful to others that are having a time wrapping their respective heads around some of the new and different capabilities of the X-Sight system. Also, rereading it helped me to organize my thoughts and perspectives regarding this new way of doing what we do behind a gun.

To simplify it for myself, I think of everything that goes into creating a shooting solution. Some things are fixed: 
Drag formula used (G1, G7, etc,) bullet BC, Bullet Weight, Muzzle Velocity and the others that we users supply to the system. Then their are the really big variables: Range to target, incline/decline of shot, relative wind change in direction and therefore changing strength, etc. In effect, those factors that we know and those that we don't. By combining all of these factors and acquiring over twenty-two from the system's sensors, recalculating a new solution and then applying that solution to the placement of the aiming reticle to give us a new Point OF Aim, we no longer have to have all that junk running around in our heads, Change the things we know as they change (Wind Speed and Wind Direction) and new range information if its a different target and let the system do the rest.    Again, I hope this helps. It helped me just by writing it all down.

If you want to find out why it's better to let the Obsidian II computer inside the X-Sight II do all the work, check this out (doing it the hard way) and see if it doesn't give you a headache!

 

Steve

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All I can give you is my understanding of how the shooting solution feature works.

I believe that the dynamic shooting solution is more a process rather than a feature that you can turn on/off. The X-Sight system does not give you a shooting solution (that you then have to dope into your scope), but rather IMPLEMENTS its (re)calculated solution AS things change so that all you have to do is send it down range. 

Go to ENVIRONMENT and set the three values that permit user input: Relative Humidity, Wind Speed and Wind Direction.

Go to PROFILES/ZERO then select "Zero Reticle" and follow the procedure for zeroing your rifle.

Select/change "Drag Function" Most "standard" bullets will use G1 function for calculating the Ballistic Coefficient which is the next item that you'll be setting. Long range bullets (usually long and skinny with a boat tail like MATCH .338 Lapua Mag. us the G7 function to calculate the Ballistic Coefficient.

Google "G1 and G7 Ballistic Coefficients" for a LOT MORE info.

Go to "Ballistic Coefficient" and set your ammo's BC (usually in the range .200 - .800 plus). BC is the relative ability of a bullet to stay in the air and retain more of its initial/muzzle velocity. Higher numbers indicate flatter trajectory and longer range before the bullet goes trans-sonic (generally agreed to be the effective range of the bullet for a given loading).

Go to "Bullet Weight" and enter the bullet weight in Grains for the ammo you're using.

Go to "Muzzle Velocity" and enter the muzzle/initial velocity in ft/sec.

The values for "Drag Function, Ballistic Coefficient, Bullet Weight, and Muzzle Velocity should be printed on the ammo's box or can be obtained from the manufacturer.

Go to "Zero Range" and enter the range in yards at which you zero'd you rifle. (when you did the "Zero Reticle" above.

Go to "Sight Height" and enter the "Sight Height" in inches. Here's where we could have a number of opinions about what goes here. The default as shipped is 1.5 in. and that is pretty standard for a "standard" scope mounted in a "standard" fashion. This value needs to be accurately measured from the scope bore center-line to the center-line of the bore of the rifle. This value is needed to establish the divergent angle between the two "bores"and is important in order to get an accurate shooting solution.

At this point you might think of the "Zero Reticle" function as "now" setting and all the other information that you entered as being used for "future" dynamic/real-time shooting solution.

The easiest way to test if you've done all this stuff right is to use the "Set Distance" (Main menu) to the distance that you used to zero your rifle; for example, 25 yds/75 ft and take a shot placing the center of the aiming reticle on the bulls-eye. You should be pretty close.

Next, move or select a target at longer range: for example, 100 yds/ 300ft. Go into "Set Distance" on the main menu again and set the distance to 300 ft. Take another shot at the 100 yd target by simply placing the center dot of the aiming reticle on the bulls-eye and SEND IT ! NO OTHER CHANGES SHOULD BE REQUIRED! Very cool, eh?

Some of the REALLY great abilities of this system are the way the system uses the information that you supplied PLUS the changes such as:

Change in compass heading (yaw) and it will compensate for the relative wind change!

Use the "Range Finder" function to range your target by simply knowing its real height and then "bracketing" the top and bottom for the system and it will quickly calculate the range in feet to your target, adjust the aiming reticle for that range and all you have to do is put the reticle dot on the target and SEND IT!

Change incline/decline (pitch) of your shot and tilting your rifle will cause the system to compensate for the change and you know the drill by now (SEND IT!).

The only things that you should have to change while shooting your rifle using the same ammo are the Range, Relative Humidity, Wind Speed and Wind Direction in the "Environment" main menu item. (these are values that can be obtained by a portable weather station) Guess what...The X-Sight II has a 4.1 Bluetooth module. Why, you ask? Some new portable weather stations (and laser sights) have Bluetooth modules that allow them to communicate with one another and a host (read X-Sight II) when they have changes to send over a Bluetooth network extending to about 30 feet/10 meters! Google Bluetooth 4.1 compared to Bluetooth 4.0 and let your mind run WILD as to the possibilities:

"Beep, Beep" on your Bluetooth connected earphones when the X-Sight's motion detector triggers.

"Audio notification" on  Bluetooth earphones when any dynamic parameters have changed and a new shooting solution has been implemented.

"The temperature is -14 degrees, time to pack up and head for camp" ..."Thanks Siri!"

Use your imagination (and send suggestions to ATN Corp: best ones win goodies, eh?) 


With the latest firmware (2.1.03.554) you should be able to test all of the functionality above. I can't tell you how well it's all working yet (I'm still testing), but if it's not working now, I suspect it won't be long before it does. This latest firmware solved A LOT of problems.

I hope this helps.   Steve

[shootsbybrail]

It is not mentioned in the manual, but I would assume that the SSS function has the ability to calculate corriolis and spin drift. I am a bit concerned that it doesn't ask for diameter of the bullet. Drag is a big thing.
A ballistic computer is almost total programming. No doubt this one can be upgraded.

Now back to the original question.
Where is the button that turns the SSS function on?
I have been searching, turning other function like GPS on hoping it will appear.
What am I doing wrong.
No answers in the manual.

[duffer]

In my experience, a ballistic computer IS all about the programming, but the accuracy of the solution is TOTALLY dependent on the values entered by its operator (garbage in, garbage out). That being said, a ballistic computer with input from multiple sensors, takes much of the operator error out of the solution and produces a MUCH more satisfying experience (more targets hit in less time).

I think I read in the ATN docs that the X-Sight has up to 22 digital sensors. I would think that at least SOME of those inputs could be used to calculate a pretty accurate solution WITHOUT asking an operator to input that information. Saves you a LOT of time and insures MUCH greater accuracy. Plus, as an operator, you don't have to enter the data and wait for the computer to give you the answer then make adjustments to your scope. Instead, the computer IMPLEMENTS the solution in the X-Sight by adjusting the POA for you. Then, loaded gun simple: "Cock it and pull it".

[badmantis]

I don't have the option either. I did get a letter in the package when I received my scope/ It said that "In the initial firmware release please note that the Shooting Solutions (Ballistic Calculator) feature is currently deactivated. It will be enabled shortly in an upcoming firmware release" Who knows when that firmware release will be. It would be nice if they had release notes for each release.

[shootsbybrail]

Ok, I didn't get that letter, just double checked.
Will wait on the firmware.

[zero]

Any Idea when the firmware will be out? Also, Bluetooth was advertised but I saw nothing to use Bluetooth on.

[peter]

Not functioning yet that I'm aware of there is nowhere you can turn it on have checked also even with the latest firmware update

[duffer]

The "Gallery" function is also not yet implemented in the current iteration of the software/firmware. Still some work to be done, but things have been looking up lately.

[wyans]

Maybe this is the wrong place to ask this question, how do you manual setup your target height and relate that to a fixed distance, for instance the target is 30cm long, my zero range is 20 meter (airgun), If I set it in the manual option for 30cm and place it at 20 meter and use the SSS it tells me the target is actually at 31.4 meter not 20 meter, how do you get this alignment done and where, thanks in advance