bunnyblaster
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Post by bunnyblaster on Jan 10, 2018 7:04:27 GMT -8
Thanks for the tips. Hole to hole at 100 with Remington or Winchester factory load 170 grain ammo with a 3x9 cheap Bushnell scope. After I had it dead on at 27 with the x2 moved out to 100 and it was 5 inches high. I thought it was pretty odd but adjusted it. Next shot wasn't even on the board. thats a 3 foot tall by 2 foot wide board with a 18x18 inch target. So I covered the whole board with targets. LOL. No SSS on and yardage was properly adjusted in the zero setup. Nothing loose what soever. I will let you know what happens next time out. Ive done the factory reset and then pull the card and re format ect..... No help. I will start at 100 to see what happens. I have another 100 rounds same load. Last chance then if all fails it ( the X2) just stays on the crossbow forever and the x1 goes back on the 30-30. I have an x1 that i took off the 30-30 and its was shooting 1 inch groups at 100 all day. Never got to extended distances with the x2. I only turned the SSS on once when i tryed the sight in at 27 then turn sss on then range and environment, that didn't work either. so I went to try different methods of making it work. I measured the scope height with a digital micrometer its dead on give or take a 64th or 32nd. LOL "I will start at 100 to see what happens" yea, that sounds like a good idea. All my zeroing of CF rifle was done at 100. Fired the first few at 5X at a shoot and see to get a rough zero, saved and moved up to 20X for fine tune following the 12 steps (no harm having a scope or binos with you to see the bullet holes at 100, 223's etc can be hard to see on plain white through the x-sight sometimes ). I remember a lot of chat about 27 yards being the lowest possible zeroing distance, maybe this has something towards it going sh1tways on you? I zeroed my 22LR at 56 yards and then tested the SSS, it really did work as shown here, I just entered the yardage and everyone was a hit! The .22LR subsonic drop between a 50 meter zero and a 100 meter target is about 6" of elevation correction so it defo was compensating correctly or it would never have hit (48 X 1/8" clicks using a standard scope).
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Post by dougman on Apr 1, 2018 8:41:24 GMT -8
I HAVE A TOATALLY DEFECTIVE SCOPE. I have had an xsight 2 3x14 for over a year now, have wasted 300 rounds of amo trying to sight it in. Ive done everything to try to get it to zero at 100 yards. It randomly throws a round over a foot high with no explanation. I have checked all screws on the xsight. I have checked and lock tighted all screws on the mounts for the xsight and the rails on 2 different rifles. I tryed it on 2 different rifles with the same results. Random round over a foot high. At 20-50 yards it seems to be perfectly fine.I reformatted the sd card. Ive tried it with no sd card. Ive done numerous factory resets. Ive reloaded the firmware as well. Would a compass out of calibration cause this issue? I believe its either a firmware issue or worse yet and most likely something is loose inside the unit itself? I know others have this same exact issue as well. Ive more than tripple checked the scope height with a digital micrometer. I dont use the ballistic calculator at all due to the fact it wont stop throwing rounds high. Its not an over heated barrel either. I shot 2 rounds yesterday. One on mark one a foot or more high. Ive been shooting since 1970 so its no my shooting either. I own the x1 and its been perfet.
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Post by weekender on Apr 4, 2018 10:25:41 GMT -8
dougman, have you talked to ATN about this issue?
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bunnyblaster
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Post by bunnyblaster on Apr 23, 2018 10:32:02 GMT -8
I HAVE A TOATALLY DEFECTIVE SCOPE. I have had an xsight 2 3x14 for over a year now, have wasted 300 rounds of amo trying to sight it in. Ive done everything to try to get it to zero at 100 yards. It randomly throws a round over a foot high with no explanation. I have checked all screws on the xsight. I have checked and lock tighted all screws on the mounts for the xsight and the rails on 2 different rifles. I tryed it on 2 different rifles with the same results. Random round over a foot high. At 20-50 yards it seems to be perfectly fine.I reformatted the sd card. Ive tried it with no sd card. Ive done numerous factory resets. Ive reloaded the firmware as well. Would a compass out of calibration cause this issue? I believe its either a firmware issue or worse yet and most likely something is loose inside the unit itself? I know others have this same exact issue as well. Ive more than tripple checked the scope height with a digital micrometer. I dont use the ballistic calculator at all due to the fact it wont stop throwing rounds high. Its not an over heated barrel either. I shot 2 rounds yesterday. One on mark one a foot or more high. Ive been shooting since 1970 so its no my shooting either. I own the x1 and its been perfet. Hi dougman, Just throwing out a random thing I've come across while on ranges, are you using a suppressor by any chance? I've seen guys having problems across multiple rifles blaming, ammo, scopes etc but then turned out after discussion that they has recently cleaned their suppressor or something similar. Upon inspection dragging was found on the suppressors baffles etc indicating contact leading to random destabilization. As I said just throwing out a random thought. On another random on, what's you rifle bedding like? The x-sight is a heavy bugger, a light stock will be effected if the barrel clearance is minimal and your shooting off a forend support like a bipod or front sand bag. I had this happen to me with a 22 wooden stock and a featherlite barrel (Anschutz 1416). When I changed my hold slightly I would get a different point of hit on the target (but we are not taking feet so I'd say this isn't the issue) Cheers, Bunny Blaster
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Post by ianwarren on May 13, 2018 10:21:28 GMT -8
Why dose my zero re tical increase in 4 not increments of 1 as my friends dose
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Post by wpetroroy on May 28, 2018 18:34:00 GMT -8
I'm trying to zero at 100 yards (overwriting a previous zero at 50 yards) and the colored reticle will not move above the white reticle. Did I mess up?
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odin
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Post by odin on May 28, 2018 22:36:56 GMT -8
Is your ballistics computer turned off? I zeroed mine at 25m and then changed range to what I am actually shooting - works awesome. XS2 or 4K scope?
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Post by sebas on Jun 13, 2018 3:49:49 GMT -8
Hi all. My sight is not allowing me to move the red reticle below the 290th position when setting zero. I had to use a mount adapter on my rifle so the scope is sitting 3.5 inches tall between center of muscle and scope. I have adjusted the scope hight setting acordingly. At 25 yards my shots are a good 3 inches from the mark I am trying to hit. Is there anything I should be doing to allow the reticle to come down?
Thank you
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odin
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Post by odin on Jun 13, 2018 12:29:23 GMT -8
You may have to bore sight first and use shims to get you in the ballpark. Then do your 12 step process.
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dougman
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Post by dougman on Jun 24, 2018 9:30:18 GMT -8
Update. Sent the scope back, they confirmed it would not hiold zero and it was in deed defective, they sent me a new one, Too bad I wasted all that time and money in ammo. 12 set sight in program was usuless with a bad scope. LOL
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Post by buck on Jul 1, 2018 15:09:42 GMT -8
One issue I've seen more in civilian rifles than the military mounts with similar type scopes is the actual scope mount to weapon and how it's accomplished. Many people just don't have the correct eqiupment or knowledge to correctly mount a rail, pickout the correct rail, etc. Many of the issues would be 20MOA rails mounted backward, 20MOA rails mistaken for 0MOA rails, incorrect tourqe screwdriver setting for rail screws or not toqueing it, and the list grows if you have rings, expecially if your a round dot M68 CCO type optic shooter such as myself (how do you mount a round dor scope correctly in it round mount? I've got a one pager on how to do that). The rail installation to the weapon and visual check of what the factory did to their mount for these scopes sould be the basics for this scope system.
These things I've read about in this thread remind me of the basic things I've mentioned. I've been very fortunate that my ATN's have been perfect, although I won't mount them on my M2HB AC Spark Plug Division GM, Yugo M53 or 1919A4.
Very respectfully, Buck Master Gunner USA (Ret.)
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Post by g on Jul 1, 2018 15:27:57 GMT -8
I could not take it anymore. I solved all my XS2 issues by replacing it with a Sightmark Photon RT. I could work around most things but not holding zero pushed me over the edge.
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Post by milord on Oct 2, 2018 23:08:57 GMT -8
Hi to everyone, I'm writing form Hungary, Europe, so please do not mind my bad english. I han an issue sightin in my new X2 with my Remington 783 .243. I use the Hornady 100 grain American White tail ammo. After reading the manual and putting the new picatinny mount and the X2 on the rifle I tried to sight the rifle in. I managed to "boresight" it for ca. 50 yards (50 meter). Since I measured 76,1 mm (ca 3 inch) from barrel center to the mid scope i put that in the profile with every detail I found about the ammo. As a looked through the sope after boresighting it, the reticle was almost 20 inch high from the center of the paper. The SSS was off, the range was 50 yard, basic magnification (5x) so I moved the reticle a little bit lower, to reach the paper with the first shot. After doing this I fired 3 shorts. They were too high, so i lowerd the reticle. And here is my problem. At 50 yard, with the known inputs, the y axis was at 270. I saved the profile with my shots dead on the center, but it seems to me, that it is too low. The reticle is almast at the bottom of the screen. What did I wrong? My inputs: Drag function: G1 BC: .405 Bullet weight: 100 gr Initial velocity: 2960 Zero range: 200 yard Sight height: 3 inch
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bunnyblaster
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Post by bunnyblaster on Oct 2, 2018 23:16:22 GMT -8
Does your picatinny rail have an moa rise? A lot of rails have 10 or 20 or even 30 moa added to them for long distance shooting. This would cause a similar issue to what your describing.
What brand or rail or riser are you using. Add a picture of your setup if you can.
Cheers, BunnyBlaster
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Post by milord on Oct 2, 2018 23:37:58 GMT -8
BunnyBlaster, the rail has no rise, its 0,39 inch high at the top. It is not a brand, a craftman here in Hungary is producing it, and a lot of competitive shooter and hunter use the mounts hi is making (pi-montages.com). I have no pictures since I'm at work right now. Can I shim the back of the rail? I assume that the rail will not be alligned with the bore if I shim it...
Thx.
Milord
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Post by edguam on Aug 13, 2020 0:01:01 GMT -8
I followed the steps, but still shoots too low that I already reach the maximum Y coordinates on the zero reticle adjustments and could not go more lower. Any advice?
I am using NSA .25 slugs on an Edgun Leshiy PCP, would that be an issue?
Thanks a lot for any help.
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bunnyblaster
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Post by bunnyblaster on Aug 13, 2020 0:27:31 GMT -8
I followed the steps, but still shoots too low that I already reach the maximum Y coordinates on the zero reticle adjustments and could not go more lower. Any advice? I am using NSA .25 slugs on an Edgun Leshiy PCP, would that be an issue? Thanks a lot for any help. Hi edguam, Have you ever put a standard rifle scope on this rifle while using this ammo. Basically have you ever shot this combo of rifle and ammo before successfully? Is the X-Sight 2 new to you? Cheers, BunnyBlaster
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Post by edguam on Aug 13, 2020 0:40:28 GMT -8
I followed the steps, but still shoots too low that I already reach the maximum Y coordinates on the zero reticle adjustments and could not go more lower. Any advice? I am using NSA .25 slugs on an Edgun Leshiy PCP, would that be an issue? Thanks a lot for any help. Hi edguam, Have you ever put a standard rifle scope on this rifle while using this ammo. Basically have you ever shot this combo of rifle and ammo before successfully? Is the X-Sight 2 new to you? Cheers, BunnyBlaster Hello BunnyBlaster, Thanks for responding. No, I have not tried any scope on the rifle, both rifle and the scope has just arrived and I'm just starting to tune them. I just don't have any source of another scope but to buy one. And yes, the X-Sight 4K 5-20x is new to me.
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bunnyblaster
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Post by bunnyblaster on Aug 13, 2020 0:48:49 GMT -8
Hi edguam, While the software process may be the same the scope mounting is totally different, you're in the X-Sight II section of the forum not the section for 4K. Just hit home on this website and find the section with the 4K owners. I know nothing about the 4K I'm only experienced with the X-Sight II Sorry, BunnyBlaster
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Post by edguam on Aug 13, 2020 0:56:18 GMT -8
Hi edguam, While the software process may be the same the scope mounting is totally different, you're in the X-Sight II section of the forum not the section for 4K. Just hit home on this website and find the section with the 4K owners. I know nothing about the 4K I'm only experienced with the X-Sight II Sorry, BunnyBlaster Oh I am sorry, thanks for the advice. I will look around. BR.
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bunnyblaster
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Post by bunnyblaster on Aug 13, 2020 1:02:57 GMT -8
Hi edguam, While the software process may be the same the scope mounting is totally different, you're in the X-Sight II section of the forum not the section for 4K. Just hit home on this website and find the section with the 4K owners. I know nothing about the 4K I'm only experienced with the X-Sight II Sorry, BunnyBlaster Oh I am sorry, thanks for the advice. I will look around. BR. No problem whatsoever, that's why I ask a lot of questions when I start answering a question. It just to ensure we're on the same hymns sheet. Today we're not lol
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Post by rkdad on Aug 15, 2020 9:26:42 GMT -8
Hornady Vmax kills everything I've shot lol Barnes varmint grenades just p1ss them off, I shot a fox square in the chest at 80 yards and it just sort of blew a fur off a patch in his chest. He then turned and ran. I wasn't able to get a follow up shot as I was too busy getting my jaw off the ground with shock! I've had similar issues with similar rounds as well as the Barnes. Turns out they seem to be very finicky about velocities. To high or low and they will either dust on the way to the target or they will go through without expanding. Your may have been right on the border of dusting when it hit. With my 22-250 I have to stay under 3300fps which is a crawl for this gun. when your used to 4000-4400fps. Hope this helps.
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Post by bunnyblaster on Aug 19, 2020 5:47:12 GMT -8
Hi rkdad, I just went back to 55g vmax, nothing I've shot gets up from them lol The 75's in Amax were great too but didn't fit my mags and I couldn't be bothered modifing my mags to suit. Worked fine in my savage 10flp (blind box) but not my tikka t3x. Saying that the Amax is not supposed to be a hunting bullet, I shot one at 100mtrs at a few wet phone books and it held about 80% of its weight and mushroomed to 18mm or so. On fur they were impressive (exit holes the size of your fist) not great if your keeping the pelts though :-) VERY accurate at distance too! The Barnes Varmint Grenades now resigned to additional ballast in the loading box :-) Cheers, BunnyBlaster
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