oldspook
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Post by oldspook on Mar 1, 2017 8:54:41 GMT -8
Zeroing by the Numbers The only optional step is number eight
1) RTFM
2) If you have just done a firmware update, do a factory reset to clean any corrupted data. Double check to make sure the ballistics calculator is turned OFF. It will interfere with the zero process if you leave it on.
3) Select your scope or device type in Settings.
4) Select the Profile you wish to zero.
5) Zero "Range" can be whatever is convenient, do remember you'll want to be able to see bullet holes at the lowest magnification.
6) Make sure all data for the profile you chose are updated. Bullet weight., muzzle velocity, scope height, BC, etc..
7) Don't forget to measure and enter your scope height! Center of bore to center of sight (+/- 1/16" is good enough, closer is better).
8) Bore Sight, if possible. Some rail adapters have adjusters for elevation.
9) YOU MUST START AT YOUR BASE MAGNIFICATION (3X or 5X)
10) Select "Zero reticle." in the profile.
11) Shoot a round. Move the colored reticle to the bullet hole. DO NOT "ZOOM" TO LOOK. Hold the white reticle where you aimed originally. Click "Enter." Select "Save and Exit." This is the coarse zero.
12) YOU MUST FINE TUNE: To fine tune, Select "Zero Reticle." This time Zoom to your highest STANDARD (14x or 20x) magnification. Fire a shot, move the colored reticle to the bullet hole, Click Enter, Select Save and Exit.
You may now repeat the fine tune process until you are satisfied with your zero. After you are happy with your zero, you may turn on the ballistics calculator and input the range at which you are shooting and the environmental data. If you did everything correctly the ballistics calculator will compensate for drop and wind drift and you should not need hold off. Don't forget to update environmental settings when the weather/wind changes significantly.
Note: While the "one shot zero" is a nifty little feature it is still better to shoot a group, zero on the center of the group and then shoot another group and fine tune on the center of that group. Here is why:
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bunnyblaster
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Post by bunnyblaster on Mar 1, 2017 10:00:20 GMT -8
Hi Oldspook, Brilliant, just brilliant. Short and concise, which is exactly what is needed Good work, your post has a date with the printer! BunnyBlaster
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tomvb
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Post by tomvb on Mar 1, 2017 13:08:38 GMT -8
ADMIN, please pin this post.
Tom
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Post by Sodaspin on Mar 2, 2017 9:47:51 GMT -8
Finaly... I wish this was up a couple of weeks ago as I am new to the ATN X sight. There is some good info here that I was not aware of. I am switching to a different ammo after what happened yesterday out coyote hunting. I shot at a coyote and saw him drop and kinda roll around,the strangest thing. I heard the bullet ricochet. When I got up to the coyote he was still alive. The .223 bullet had hit him in the front shoulder and ricocheted off, not penetrating as a kill shot. I will use this post to "Zero in" from now on.
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Post by bunnyblaster on Mar 2, 2017 10:12:17 GMT -8
Hornady Vmax kills everything I've shot lol Barnes varmint grenades just p1ss them off, I shot a fox square in the chest at 80 yards and it just sort of blew a fur off a patch in his chest. He then turned and ran. I wasn't able to get a follow up shot as I was too busy getting my jaw off the ground with shock!
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Post by smoke on Mar 11, 2017 14:53:49 GMT -8
Ok my understander is conflagualted what is RTFM
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Post by bunnyblaster on Mar 11, 2017 15:00:18 GMT -8
Ok my understander is conflagualted what is RTFM Read The F**kin Manual
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Post by smoke on Mar 11, 2017 15:39:07 GMT -8
I have read the manual several times and just went back to the zero portion of it and see no mention of RTFM or anything with that abbreviation pages 32 to 36 which is why I asked
have zeroed my scope several times and with 4 different guns . just wanted to understand what the abbreviation stood for
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Post by bunnyblaster on Mar 11, 2017 16:01:35 GMT -8
I have read the manual several times and just went back to the zero portion of it and see no mention of RTFM or anything with that abbreviation pages 32 to 36 which is why I asked It's just humour. To read the manual is always the starting point hence the acronym. I used to work in the service industry repairing machines and when the client mucked up a new install we would let base know what happent with "didn't RTFM" if the client was in earshot. It would be then up to base to decide to charge them or not for the callout. Tomvb did a funny one on me, we were talking about ammo ballistic info on a particular round, he couldn't find the information anywhere. I asked for the ammo manufacturers part number. He replied "BTFOOM". I then did an internet search for Federal BTFOOM. No look finding it. I then looked up BTFOOM as an acronym. I did laugh "Beats The Flip Out Of Me" well thats the more polite version anyway! We all get caught out every now and then đ
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oldspook
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Post by oldspook on Mar 11, 2017 16:28:19 GMT -8
=)
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Post by smoke on Mar 11, 2017 16:28:58 GMT -8
Now that was funny. Right in front of me and I still didn't see it Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees
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Post by bunnyblaster on Mar 11, 2017 16:37:41 GMT -8
Now that was funny. Right in front of me and I still didn't see it Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees Happens me all the time, I'd be working away on a problem and have reached an impasse. I usually walk away do something else for a bit and come back to it again. Usually the impasse is greeted with AFFS and solved on the spot! A traditional irish acronym "Ah For F**k Sake" đ
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Post by gallor1 on Mar 20, 2017 8:35:29 GMT -8
Great post thank you for taking the time to do this
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Post by g on Mar 29, 2017 18:46:37 GMT -8
I have zeroed the XSII on two different guns so I am good there but i have a question. why is it bad to start zeroing with zoom vs. using the zoom option under the zero reticle menu? I do know that when using zoom your adjustments are more fine but why not start with it?
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Post by oldspook on Mar 29, 2017 19:48:31 GMT -8
I have zeroed the XSII on two different guns so I am good there but i have a question. why is it bad to start zeroing with zoom vs. using the zoom option under the zero reticle menu? I do know that when using zoom your adjustments are more fine but why not start with it? I think you could start with zoom (refinement) once you have done your first zero with the optic. Much (almost all) of what is in this procedure is a blatant rip off of somebody who posted most of it on Facebook a long time ago. All I did was verify and update the procedure. Yesterday, for example; I zeroed my rifle with one hand load using the process at the top of the thread. It was the first time I ever took that particular rifle out with the X-Sight on it. After that I shot a few rounds and then brought my target back into 100 yards and shot a 3 shot group with a different load. I fine tuned using the zoom feature of the zero menu. Things you should NEVER DO: Change the zoom after the shot and before you make the adjustment. Do the coarse adjustment and then do a fine adjustment using the same shot you just corrected for at a higher magnification. I think this procedure errs on the side of caution and in the interest of a new user who has not yet really figured out how the thing works.
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Post by eradicator on Mar 30, 2017 3:39:42 GMT -8
I think this procedure errs on the side of caution and in the interest of a new user who has not yet really figured out how the thing works.
This is exactly why I included your 12 step instructional it in the guide that was assembled for the new guys....to take the guess work out of it. Yes, it may be overly cautious BUT no one has gone wrong using it!
Once an owners comfort level is raised by a lot of use, they will figure out how to do the fine adjustments....but it's a fantastic primer for those just taking their new scopes out of the box!
erad
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Post by dougman on Nov 25, 2017 7:43:25 GMT -8
I just did the zero process and at 27 yards hole to hole in the bull. Backed out to 100. turned the bc on, set my range at 100 and it wasnt even on the paper. WTF?
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Post by alan on Nov 25, 2017 13:15:14 GMT -8
The reason so many folks have issues is simply the fact that the sight in range and the distance to target range aren't set to the same distance. ATN firmware should do that for you, but it does not. As the spook said, make sure the ballistic program is OFF!! before you attempt to sight in the weapon. And if you're not sure, look at it again. Because if it is, the ballistic program won't work as advertised, or even close.
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Post by dougman on Nov 25, 2017 16:01:59 GMT -8
I had them both set to 27 yards. It hits bulls all day. Then backed out to 100, set both to 100 and it wasn't even on the paper. Ive seen guys on youtube shooting first. then entering into zero set up to adjust it then back out, shoot again, back into zero and adjust and they are balls on at 100. Im ganna try that tomorrow. Ive followed all the steps to the letter and its just not working for me on my x2 had it a year not and gone through 120 rounds and still cant hit a fin thing at 100 yards. Ive reloaded the software, factory reset, reformatted the card ect.............. Tried all sighting in with no zoom at all, tried the no zoom then the full zoom and no go. Its disappointing. I have my x1 balls on at 100. Had the BC off. Tryed the bc off at 27 yards. had it perfect. Backed out to 100, set range. Turned bc on, set enviroment and still wasnt on the paper. Nothing is loose, checked the screws and allens on the site and screws on the rail. I can put my 3x9 bushnell back on it and hit bulls all day at 100. Its not the gun, its not me either. Been shooting since 1971.
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Post by dougman on Nov 25, 2017 16:08:11 GMT -8
And yes scope height was measured with a digital micrometer its within a few thousandths.
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Post by dougman on Dec 31, 2017 21:02:16 GMT -8
Update. Tried the shoot then adjust method. Both zero and range set the same. Once again perfect at 27 and 50 yards. All over the board at 100. Sad but all my scope is good for is my crossbow. I put my x1 back on my 30-30 and its perfect every time at 100 yards.
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Post by bunnyblaster on Jan 4, 2018 8:16:20 GMT -8
Update. Tried the shoot then adjust method. Both zero and range set the same. Once again perfect at 27 and 50 yards. All over the board at 100. Sad but all my scope is good for is my crossbow. I put my x1 back on my 30-30 and its perfect every time at 100 yards. Hi Dougman Firstly, Iâd zero @ 100. The increased distance helps accuracy in the long run. I basically sight a gun to the farthest distance that I can on a calm day (to rule out wind) and still be able to group (say 1â @ 100 or 2â @ 200 group size, groups can be larger but need to be groups) If your rig canât do this something is wrong! If its reasonable quality factory ammo we can rule out bad reloads. With standard glass and your usual ammo how well do you normally shoot, if itâs much better then it might be something to do with your new shooting position using the X-Sight. Ok, so letâs talk about âall over the placeâ or âmissing the boardâ. Your shooting a 30-30 which as far as I can tell has ballistic curve that is flat as a pancake out to about 120 yards so if you zeroed @ 27 yards it should fairly close to bang on at 100 yards. But for the purpose of what we are talking about close enough even itâs an inch or two out. If the rifle will shoot well at 27 yards just adjust you focus only to 100 and take a few shots at 100 yards. It should group, if it doesnât youâve a mechanical problem. Loose mounts, damaged scope innards, the extra weight of the scope is causing your barrel to touch the stock when using a bipod etc or you are just a bad shot (you have already noted that you can group at 100 with you X1 so youâre ruled out of being a bad shot) Now if the rifle groups at 100 from the 27 yard zero letâs move on to software! The scope needs to be told what it is in settings, e.g 5-20X (lense type) In the Environmental section set wind to zero (remember the calm day bit) The SSS needs to be off when zeroing your rifle, the scope needs to be told everything about the ammunition from the manufacturers website in the 30-03 profile you set up (grains, velocity, BC, drag etc) (yes using a chrony is better for muzzle velocity readings but not everybody has one) Follow the zeroing steps on this website. The manual input rangefinder does not work without the SSS turned on.
Turn you SSS on via your main widget, itâs the symbol like an arrow head hitting a target. When itâs on youâll notice now that there is elevation and windage coordinates displayed in the bottom left you your target view screen (reticule corrections) As you adjust you range via the range finder these reticule correction readings change from you default zero range. This is the cross hairs shifting its point of aim to hold under or hold over depending on what distance you aiming at. They also shift automatically for the angle the rifle is pointing to adjust for the new trajectory. Thatâs all I got buddy! Cheers, BunnyBlaster On a side note: If you are shooting at extended distances messing with the BC or velocity is a good way of fine tuning if the bullet hits low or high at a known extended distance when set for that distance. (example, youâre really happy with you 100 yards zero, the 200âs good but you 300 is off by an inch or two from your normal groups you can achieve at that distance, have a tweak in your chosen profile to see if you can get it shooting a bit better.
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Post by pearlsnaps on Jan 8, 2018 13:51:55 GMT -8
Do I have to Zero for each round I use on the same weapon? Meaning if I am shooting profile 1 Hornady 150gr SST in .308 MV 3000fps etc. and get it zeroed if I then switch to Profile #2 180gr with MV 2620fps etc. Do I have to zero for each specific round?
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Post by bunnyblaster on Jan 9, 2018 0:12:40 GMT -8
Do I have to Zero for each round I use on the same weapon? Meaning if I am shooting profile 1 Hornady 150gr SST in .308 MV 3000fps etc. and get it zeroed if I then switch to Profile #2 180gr with MV 2620fps etc. Do I have to zero for each specific round? Hi Pearlsnaps, In short yes, the rounds have different weights, velocities, sometimes even matching ammo from different manufacturers shoots slightly differently. Best to have a seperate zero for each type of round being used. It might be the case that two different weight rounds shoot more or less exactly the same at a 100 yard zero for instance but you can be fairly sure this won't be the case at 200 or 300 yards. Cheers, BunnyBlaster
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Post by dougman on Jan 9, 2018 17:49:19 GMT -8
Thanks for the tips. Hole to hole at 100 with Remington or Winchester factory load 170 grain ammo with a 3x9 cheap Bushnell scope. After I had it dead on at 27 with the x2 moved out to 100 and it was 5 inches high. I thought it was pretty odd but adjusted it. Next shot wasn't even on the board. thats a 3 foot tall by 2 foot wide board with a 18x18 inch target. So I covered the whole board with targets. LOL. No SSS on and yardage was properly adjusted in the zero setup. Nothing loose what soever. I will let you know what happens next time out. Ive done the factory reset and then pull the card and re format ect..... No help. I will start at 100 to see what happens. I have another 100 rounds same load. Last chance then if all fails it ( the X2) just stays on the crossbow forever and the x1 goes back on the 30-30. I have an x1 that i took off the 30-30 and its was shooting 1 inch groups at 100 all day. Never got to extended distances with the x2. I only turned the SSS on once when i tryed the sight in at 27 then turn sss on then range and environment, that didn't work either. so I went to try different methods of making it work. I measured the scope height with a digital micrometer its dead on give or take a 64th or 32nd. LOL
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